Hi, this is Josh Marshall, and this is the Josh Marshall podcast.

Today we are talking to Jim Shuto, who you know from CNN both as a one of one of the

channel's top reporters but also is it okay to call you like an on-air celebrity? That's kind of diminishing isn't a gym? But you're a major on-air presence on the on the

I wouldn't say celebrity but but yes I am lucky to be partnered with Poppy Harlow,

anchoring our 9 to 11 show in the morning.

And it's, in addition to being Chief National Security Correspondence.

So in many ways, my dream job,

they get to interview folks live on the air but also keep up my reporting chops.

You know we're gonna we are going for our listeners we're gonna talk about a new book

Jim has out called Shadow War and we're going to get to what that book is

about in a moment but before I do other intros and kind of our ad at the front. How do you have time to write a book?

So I figured out a way to squeeze it into life and basically I just I did the math.

I I embarked on this project at the end of 2017 my publisher

Harper Collins and my editor said we'd like to see the manuscript by July

so I said okay I got eight months, 80,000 words in a book of about 300 pages,

10,000 words a month, 2,500 words a week, and I just found if I kept to that schedule it becomes more

digestible so if you have you know if you're taking the train from

New York to DC you got two and a half hours of un interrupted time. You could bang out a few

hundred words. I would, I have the benefit of having a patient wife so I could run down

a weekend and bang out a thousand words and a couple of hours there.

A lot of the reporting I had done prior and then a lot of the interviews I was doing concurrent

with writing the book, so I would do an interview with a Jim clapper and plug it in as I went along.

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