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I'm Hemmant Meta.ta and I'm Jessica Blimpty and you're listening to the

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John Delin is about to complete his PhD in clinical and counseling

psychology, but you may know him best as the founder of the Mormon Stories podcast,

one that celebrates the faith and also critiques it when necessary.

Because of some of his views supporting same-sex marriage and the ordination of women within Mormonism,

Delin was excommunicated from the Mormon Church earlier this year for apostasy.

That's a story that made the New York Times and were Church earlier this year for apostasy.

That's a story that made the New York Times

and we're gonna talk about that with him.

And let me just add in a really quick story here.

I was recently at a conference with John

and I ran into several people who were ex-Mormans and I don't think most of them had met each other before that very conference and we got to talking and at one point I'm like how do you guys all know each other?

They all pointed to John.

He's kind of like the rock for all these ex-Mormans

and it seems like every time I meet someone who left the Mormon

faith they all know they all know John they all know his podcast they all listen to

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