Ep. 633 – Faith Over Fear with Michael Leach
Mindrolling with Raghu Markus
Be Here Now Network
4.7 • 542 Ratings
🗓️ 13 February 2026
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
Raghu Markus is joined by Michael Leach, the first-ever Chief Diversity & Inclusion Officer of the White House, for a conversation on how to have faith over fear in the face of uncertainty.
Grab a copy of Michael’s book, Faith Over Fear, to learn more about harnessing your own resilience.
In this episode, Raghu and Michael take a journey through:
- Closing the gap between faith and fear
- Seeing faith as an action rather than a feeling
- How freedom comes when we loosen our grip on ego, fear, and identity
- Surrender and choosing presence even when outcomes are unclear
- The book The First 90 Days and what culture truly means
- Michael’s time working in the White House with the Biden-Harris administration
- The meaningful pivot from our preference to our purpose
- Enduring and adapting through the many changes we face socially, politically, and personally
- Breaking down the wall between ‘us’ and ‘them’, taking inspiration from Ram Dass’s There Is No Other
- Giving ourselves ‘the fear test’ and looking inward before we judge another person
- Considering the cost of unity and choosing listening over labeling
- Forming ourselves so that we are not driven by fear
“Whatever you're not changing you’re choosing, but here's the truth about change: it's not secured in a single election or moment of triumph. Democracy is an ongoing experiment, constantly tested by shifts in power, societal challenges, and the choices we make to protect (or erode) progress. It's not about ensuring nothing changes when you leave, it's about ensuring that what truly matters can endure when everything does. The key is not permanence, it's resilience” –Michael Leach
About Michael Leach:
Michael is a nationally respected strategic advisor, public sector leader, and culture builder whose career spans the NFL, national politics, and the White House. He currently serves as CEO & Co-Founder of BridgeTrust Partners, an advisory firm specializing in leadership development, inclusive strategy, and transformative partnerships across industries—from sports and healthcare to tech, media, and government.
Michael began his professional journey in the National Football League, serving as Assistant to the Head Coach of the Chicago Bears and later managing Labor Relations at NFL Headquarters, where he played a key role in administering and enforcing the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement. In 2019, he was appointed Chief People Officer and Head of Diversity and Inclusion for the Biden-Harris campaign, helping build the most diverse general election team in U.S. history. He later became the first-ever Chief Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the White House, serving as Special Assistant to the President. Michael is also now an author! Faith Over Fear, a book on resilience and faith in uncertain times, was released in February 2026.
Reach out to Michael via his website, where you can find his social media and contact information as well as learn more about his speaking engagements, career coaching, and more.
“It's really through our surrendering that God does his establishing. God is unable to establish if we don't surrender. If your hands are closed and someone is trying to give you a gift, it's going to be really hard to receive that gift if you don't first open your hands. That's literally the nature of faith. I first have to release what's in my hand in order for God to release what's in his hand.” –Michael Leach
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody, it's Raghu, and I'm back with Mind Rolling, and I'm with Michael Leach today, and we're going to chat. |
| 0:20.0 | Michael has a fascinating history that he that he put |
| 0:24.2 | into wrote a book about faith over fear so uh we were just talking about my and referencing ramdas |
| 0:32.1 | and my relationship with him over you know many decades and uh I wanted to, as soon as I saw the cover, |
| 0:41.3 | well, first of all, welcome, Michael. Thank you. Thank you, Ragul. It's a pleasure to be with you. |
| 0:46.9 | So, faith over here, over fear. And as soon as I saw the title, I remembered a moment in India long, long, long time ago when we were together with Ram Dass. |
| 1:00.6 | And he somehow came up with a sort of a mantra, which was faith, no fear. |
| 1:11.9 | Faith, no fear. Okay. |
| 1:13.2 | Faith, no fear. |
| 1:18.1 | Is that no K-N-O-W? |
| 1:21.5 | No, it's a no. |
| 1:23.2 | In-O-fear, okay. |
| 1:24.4 | Yeah, yeah. |
| 1:25.5 | Yeah, no faith, fear. Faith, no. Faith, no, faith, no fear. No faith, fear. |
| 1:34.1 | I love it. Yeah. I love it. So, but yeah, you've gone into this, you know, in great depth and using your story to be able to express it. |
| 1:45.1 | So we got to hear the story. |
| 1:47.2 | I mean, there's no way around it. |
| 1:49.7 | Yeah. |
| 1:50.0 | Even we were just talking about Chicago because we're in this midst of frozen. |
| 1:58.0 | It's like the movie Frozen. |
| 2:00.1 | That's right. Yeah. And Michael comes from right. Yeah, so and Michael comes from Chicago. |
| 2:03.6 | Yeah, so talk about, you know, your, how you grew up in this particular space and time in Chicago. |
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