Ep. 631 – Soul Force for the 21st Century with Anu Gupta
Mindrolling with Raghu Markus
Be Here Now Network
4.7 • 543 Ratings
🗓️ 30 January 2026
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
Author & human rights lawyer Anu Gupta sits down with Raghu to explore meeting division with “soul force”—the compassionate, spiritual power that lives within us all.
Learn more about Anu’s project, Soul Force for the 21st Century
This time on Mindrolling, Raghu and Anu have an in-depth conversation on:
- The precipice of our karma and how past negative actions are coming to a head globally
- Anu’s recent work in South Africa with racial healing and dissolving borders
- How Artificial Intelligence lacks ethics and moral virtues
- Resisting commodification and profit-driven systems through awareness and conscious choice
- How modern society has dulled our innate human capacity to care
- Returning to our shared primary identity as human beings rather than focusing on what makes us different
- Buddhist teachings on interconnectedness and the illusion of separateness
- Meditation as an antidote for the negative habits that we have stored within ourselves
- Navigating Kali Yuga with Bhakti yoga and merging with the divine
- Finding the divinity in every single human being
- Keeping the faith and remembering that uncertainty does not have to be dangerous
- How small acts of kindness can add up to global change
- The PRISM acronym that Anu discusses in his book, Breaking Bias
“Recognize that everything that happens is perfectly designed to open up your eyes, your mind, your heart, to one thing or another that you need in this lifetime.” –Raghu Markus
About Anu Gupta:
Anu Gupta is a human rights lawyer, scientist, scholar of bias, meditation teacher, and the founder and CEO of BE MORE with Anu, a professional development company that trains corporate, nonprofit, and government leaders to advance inclusion and wellness by breaking bias. He is also the author of Breaking Bias: Where Stereotypes and Prejudices Come From and the Science-Backed Method to Unravel Them(2024), with a foreword from His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Check out Anu Gupta on Substack, Linked in, and Instagram.
Interested in working directly with Anu? Head over to Bemorewithanu.com to learn more.
“It’s really a spiritual power that we all have as human beings, as a spirit in this body suit; it's the loving strength of will to confront injustice and violence without mirroring. That is what we must reinvigorate within ourselves, but also between ourselves. That soul force, to see it with kindness and compassion and when we divert from it, to be able to call ourselves and others back on that path.” –Anu Gupta
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, it's Ragu back with Mind Rolling, and say an old friend. |
| 0:16.7 | Well, time passes quickly. |
| 0:18.7 | We did meet the, well, it's probably almost a couple of years ago. |
| 0:23.7 | And Anu Gupta, welcome back. |
| 0:26.9 | Thank you so much for having me back. |
| 0:29.0 | It's so good to see you and be with you. |
| 0:31.1 | Yeah, absolutely. |
| 0:33.4 | So Anu has done a lot of, it does a lot of different things. |
| 0:39.0 | Certainly, around technology, around diversity, around going inward, |
| 0:49.9 | and finding who you really are in order to be somewhat of a radiant heart, |
| 0:59.3 | as Ram Dass would put it, you know, in our world. |
| 1:03.3 | So, but let's, where have you been, what you've been doing? |
| 1:08.3 | Let's, let's catch up. |
| 1:10.1 | Yeah, that sounds great. So I think last we talked was perhaps towards the end of 2024. |
| 1:15.5 | So my book, Breaking Bias, had just come out. So we were really talking about that. |
| 1:20.6 | And actually, the paperback version of the book will come out very soon. |
| 1:24.6 | Actually, next week in January. So that work continues. So I've just been going around |
| 1:31.0 | the country as well as the world, talking about the book and some of the things that I've talked |
| 1:35.8 | about that I write about in the book, particularly around how do we meet the polarization and the |
| 1:40.7 | division in our time with compassion, kindness, and what I now call soul force, |
| 1:45.8 | but also listening quite a bit because the challenges that, you know, I see in our country |
| 1:51.2 | in the United States are very similar to what people are facing, you know, in the Middle East |
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