Wow, Wow, Wes.

Hey, welcome to Matt and Shane Secret Podcast.

I'm here today with Rowan Jacobson. What's up, man? How you doing? I'm doing great. I mean, happy to be here. I've been awaiting this. If you guys don't know, I have a little booking service that, you know, throw me guest ideas. I saw the sunlight book and I was like, I got to talk to to you I happen to be deep in uh what is it called

heliotherapy you call it just getting the sunlight yeah I'm a big sunlight guy right now as you can

see my nose I'm like I have I'm bad with it though I have this is like three days of sunburn on

sunburn so I just keep going deeper and deeper into it and uh I'll be fine. But yeah, I'm a huge proponent of sunlight, man.

It's the best.

Because I was telling you, I grew up on the East Coast, Northeast. And just those winters would crush me, man. When I read the beginning of your book, when you're saying how you're just like, you know, you're in Vermont. and you're just like no matter what you do in the winter up there you literally don't feel the sun

touch your skin and then after i it just makes me like i Vermont and you're just like no matter what you do in the winter up there you literally don't feel the

sun touch your skin and it just makes me like I like I like I really do get like oh thinking about it

and yeah ever since I've been down here these hot summers I'm like still having complained like

people are like oh it's too hot I'm like you have no idea what the lack of light feels like man

it's horrible I think about it because yeah like you say, those winters, they're crushing, especially after a while. And yeah, down here, you're like, wow, you could just be cruising around in shirts and shirts and a t-shirt like most of the year, essentially, right? Yeah. So that makes huge difference. All year round, if you're a fat white guy, apparently. Fat white guys. Or a teenager. I mean, even in Vermont, you see the teenagers waiting at the bus stop. It's like 10 degrees below zero and they're in their shorts. Really? That is, yeah, that is kind of weird. Or they're, I noticed with teenagers, they're either it's that shorts when it's freezing or it's like a hoodie when it's hot.

And you're like, what do you guys tell you guys doing? But, you know, I guess that's what they do. So yeah, how long? So, okay, just give me the whole thing. Like you, what is your background? Because I've watched interviews with you. I would say you're Dr. Smart. You sound Dr. Smart. but I don't see that the MD or Peter.

So what is your background?

I'm, yeah, no, I'm like a word guy. I've been like made my living as a writer for, yeah, like 25, 30 years, like starting book publishing and I did a little bit of ghost writing. And then at some point I was like, I'm sick of this. I don't want to fix other people's words. I may as well just get, do my own words. Yeah, how did you? I feel like ghost writing is dastardly. It's like I, I'm a big co-author guy. If someone's going to help you with your book, hit him with the co-author. There's no shame. I would feel so weird, which is funny because I would like in school cheat on all my tests but like writing a book the ghost

writing thing freaks me out I don't like it man it's like just just give that person credit

if they ghost write or hire them as an editor something but the the ghostwriter thing is I get the

hebi jbies around that I yeah totally and sometimes I did get credited as a co-author

that's sometimes sometimes they didn't want my name anywhere on there. Right.

We won't name names.

Yeah, I can't name those names.

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