Finally, I said, I'll tell you what, give up cheese for two weeks before the next blood

test.

Just two weeks, you can do it.

He said, okay, yeah, you're right.

I can do that for two weeks.

Comes back as small dense LDLs, plummet, its oxidized LDO is now normal for the first

time in several years.

And he looks at it and he says, wow, it's the cheese.

And I said, yeah, you know, light bulbs go out great.

You get it.

And he says, you know, this is great news.

I said, oh, thank goodness we're getting through.

He said, I just have to give up cheese for two weeks before every blood test, and you'll never know.

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Dr. Stephen Gundry, it's great to finally meet you, at least virtually.

Well, it's great to be on your program this will be fun excellent

i'm sure it will and i just actually read your book the plant paradox a little belatedly in the last

day or so and i must say it's excellent and the first half i just carried along non-stop up until it got

to plans and that and nearly every aspect resonates with me I'll have to say there's one slight thing that's quite controversial of late and that's around the need to reduce meat but we might touch on that as we discuss APOE4 people and your extensive experience

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