Hello, this is Jenny Eclare, and welcome to another remote controlled older and wider. Very shortly, I'm going to be joined by my comrade Judith Holder.

Who is she?

And you know who she is, she's my friend.

And we this week are bringing you our podcast,

courtesy of Ringa, which is another new-fangled app that has taken us forever

to get our heads around and may I just apologize at this point for my microphone technique.

weirdly, it's really bad and Judas is really good.

And I'm going to blame my house because I live in a very echoy house.

And next time I might do it really from underneath the duvet

and not just from sitting on top of the bed. Anyway all we can say is we're

sending you all our love and we hope you enjoy this podcast. Well, do you know, by the joys and wonders of technology and Daisy, you're having the patience of a saint?

Oh my God!

Judith, I can hear you heavy breathing. Oh my God that was like pulling teeth wasn't it?

How long did it take us to get on actually this thing sorted and on you talking to each other about 25 minutes have you had from

Daisy over the last two days screenshots okay of what we should do like I've had

several I had one screen shot this morning with

her which she circles things like misuse to do at school like this is what you

do press this have you had any of them yeah yeah of yeah yes I have, but can I just say that...

Daisy scheduled this rigor call at 10 o'clock? At 10 o'clock she and I were

chatting away and we said, oh I wonder where did you do this? And then there was a flurry of panicky,

and pets from you.

See, I've got two toys with me here.

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