It's the Simple Show. You've got episode six.

Hey there, I'm Tish Oxen Rider, and I'm a writer, traveler, entrepreneur, and family gal.

I'm a big fan of Simple Living, but I don't think it's just about getting rid of your stuff.

It's about living holistically with your life's purpose.

On The Simple Show, I talk with other people about what that looks like for

them. It's fun. This is a Vault episode, where I'm taking an older episode from my previous

show, The Art of Simple Podcast, and dusting it off for you. I'm doing a collection of these

episodes, mostly for old times' sake, and because some of

these conversations just shouldn't go unheard. In this show, I'm talking with Lee Kramer, who's

known for her knowledge of the Enneagram, a personality profiling system that's really gotten popular,

even though it's around for centuries. She's now an Enneagram coach, and I would really love to have her on the show again. But in the meantime, this chat makes for a great vaulted episode.

This conversation first aired on May 21st, 2014, and you can find Lee at Lee Kramer.com.

So for people that have no idea what this is and sounds like a made-up word, why don't you explain for a few minutes what aneagram actually is?

Okay. It's a basic personality system. It covers nine types. It's been around for centuries. It started with the desert fathers and the Sufis, they think. No one,

no one is entirely sure because it was an oral tradition. And so really, I feel like maybe in the

last 30, 40 years, now people are starting to hear more about it. There's more books on it.

And that's how it first came across to me. But it's, so there's the nine

types and it's really based on the seven deadly sins plus two more.

Love that.

To that, I guess a lot, the major religions didn't necessarily view as a sin, which would be

deceit and fear or worry. Because they're just so

commonplace. So it looks at the core struggles or the sins, and then also our basic fears and

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