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Mindrolling with Raghu Markus

Ep. 596 – Psychedelics: A Master Key to Rewiring the Brain with Gül Dölen

Mindrolling with Raghu Markus

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4.7543 Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Neuroscientist Gül Dölen explores how psychedelics paired with mindful integration can reopen the brain’s sensitive learning windows to rewire habits, heal trauma, and expand consciousness.

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In this episode of Mindrolling, Gül and Raghu chat about:

  •  Gül’s research on psychedelics and how we can translate animal studies into human neuroscience 
  • Looking to Octopuses for sociological answers using MDMA
  • Critical periods—windows when the brain is most open to learning and environmental influence.
  • Psychedelics as the master key to reopening critical periods, especially when paired with therapy
  • Inducing metaplasticity with psychedelics, reshaping harmful patterns, and promoting transformation.
  • Non-substance methods to reopen critical periods, like sensory and social deprivation
  • How mystical practices such as meditation and silent retreats can trigger a “beginner’s mind” state for deep insights
  • How psychedelics propose a learning model rather than a biochemical imbalance model towards approaching depression, addiction, or PTSD
  • Focusing on post-trip integration to harness long-term benefits from the psychedelic experience 
  • Maximize the integration period to cement insights gained during psychedelic journeys
  • The social and psychological changes we go through as we age and adapt to new environments/situations 
  • The importance of “set and setting” and how it can influence psychedelic experiences and the formation of helpful or harmful habits

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About Gül Dölen:

Dr. Gül Dölen is a Professor and the Bob & Renee Parsons Endowed Chair in the Department of Neuroscience, and Department of Psychology, the Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics and the Helen Wills Neuroscience Institute at the University of California, Berkeley. Dr Dölen also maintains an Adjunct Professorship in Neuroscience and Neurology at the Johns Hopkins University, School of Medicine. Dr. Dölen researches the role psychedelics may have in unlocking critical periods in Dölen Lab. She is the recipient of several prestigious awards. 

“It turns out that our results really suggest that psychedelics are those master keys that we have been looking for all this time.” – Gül Dölen

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone, it's Ragu, and I'm back with Mind Rolling, and I have a wonderful guest today, Gould Dolan, and Gould welcome to...

0:24.6

Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here.

0:28.3

Now, Gould is currently at the Berkeley, UC Berkeley, right?

0:35.5

That's right.

0:35.8

You've got the Center for Science of Psychedelics there, and you were, and you think you're still associated with John Hopkins as well.

0:44.1

That's right.

0:44.7

So Gould has been doing extraordinary work around psychedelics and the brain.

0:51.0

And so for me, you're going to have to keep it really on the level where I can absorb.

1:01.6

You know, I did read up a little bit and I'm going, oh, okay.

1:05.8

Now, some of it's really amazing in terms of like I do talk to people for instance around

1:11.1

neuros neuroscientists and around neuroscience and and the plasticity of

1:16.4

of the brain and what you know it's exciting because you know especially as

1:22.5

people get older and they feel more fixed in it all so So, but why don't we start?

1:30.3

We were just before we got on,

1:31.9

we started talking a little bit about the reality of working on a scientific basis

1:39.0

around psychedelics because of the extraordinary quality of transcendence that they do present to people.

1:50.6

And yeah, talk about that in terms of how you work around that in terms of scientific research.

1:58.5

Yeah, so when I first started working in my own lab on psychedelics, there was a big push from a lot of

2:06.5

people in the field that you really can't understand anything interesting about psychedelics

2:12.4

by studying them in animals.

2:14.3

And the going notion was that, you know, they induced these massive, you know,

2:19.7

trans and, you know, states that are, you know, finding God, seeing your own death, these kinds of

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