The ups and downs that we go through in the course of a long training run or a race,

all of those have feelings connected to them, and a lot of us try to in-electualize that

and make it all in our head, and there's a disproportionately large number of engineers

in ultra running, right?

And they want to turn it all into some sort of scientific thing that can be defeated.

And the truth is it's not, and neither is life, right?

We have to have both the cognitive and the emotional.

Feeling angry, feeling sad, feeling frustrated, feeling disappointed is an option.

And you have to accept that option, and it's what you do with it that helps you come out

of it.

Welcome to the trailhead of TrailRunner Nation.

Where we go on virtual trail runs with interesting guests, sometimes we have interesting topics

that help us become better runners and hopefully better human beings.

If it's your first time, welcome, strap on your shoes, let's get her going.

Today, we're running with AJW, and we all three have a book in our hands, Do Hard Things

by Steve Magnus, and it's a great conversation about things we should know about, how to

become tough.

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