It's The Simple Show and you've got episode 58. Hi, I'm Tish Oxen Rider and on The Simple Show. We talk about books, travel, and life at home. In this episode, I am joined by my co-host Stephanie Langford. Hey, Stephanie. Hey, Tish. Stephanie, tell us who you are and what you do. I'm an entrepreneur and a writer and a mom of five and I live in Ottawa, Canada. You can find me online at entrefamily.com. And I'm a writer and a mom of five, and I live in Ottawa, Canada. You can find me online at

EntraFamily.com. And I'm a writer and mom living in central Texas, and I'm online at

the art of simple.net. Well, this is a travel episode, so we are going to talk about favorite

cities around the world, our favorite big cities, slightly smaller ones, foodie cities, great

cities for kids.

We're also going to talk about the cleanest and dirtiest cities we visited, which are the

easiest and hardest to get around and which cities we wish we could visit again and again.

Okay, so Stephanie, I'm really, really excited about this topic.

I wanted to talk to you about it for a while because I know you and I both have a sort of love-hate relationship with cities, and we also need to kind of define what is a city. So what's your opinion on cities in general? I love cities for a short period of time. I like to be able to visit a city and then leave.

So our family really discovered while we were traveling that although a city can be exciting

and it's often where you find the best things to go and visit and do and there's festivals

and there's markets and there's museums and there's just so many amazing things in the

city and yet too long in the city and we all began to get really kind of antsy and stir crazy

and when we would get back out, you know, more to the country or to a small town, it was just this

kind of collective like, okay, now we can all relax. Do you know what I mean? I totally know what you mean.

In fact, I love small towns so much more than I ever thought I would that we ended up moving to

one. You know, I'm from Austin, which is by North American standard. It's fairly big. But we

ended up moving to Georgetown, a town outside of it. And it just, I feel a collective,

just my shoulders relaxing and a stress relief as soon as we drive into town, into Georgetown,

leaving Austin. And there's just something about travel that is fun and exciting, but too much

of that is like an overstimulation for all of us. And heading out to a smaller town

or more into nature, and we all just get along so much better. So I'm with you. We can't be

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