What's up everybody? This is the Betray, the addicted, and the expert. My name is Brannon and I am the expert.

And I'm Ashland and I was the portrayed and I'm Kobe the recovering addict.

What you're going to get is three unique perspectives on recovery and

tools for hope and healing.

All right, welcome guys.

Welcome to another episode of The Betray, the Addicted and The Expert.

I'm going to read a fan shout out that we got recently. It says

Ashland, Kobe and Brandon, I just want to thank you for your courage to be

vulnerable about what it's like to live in a porn addiction, betrayal, trauma land. I listen to your podcast as part of my own self-care

in dealing with my own betrayal trauma. It helps me, it helps give me ideas about how to address

my husband without betraying myself or enabling his

addiction, which I tend to do in order to keep the peace.

I've learned so much truth as I listen.

I feel validated and empowered in a compassionate way.

Thanks so much.

I love that.

Yeah, that's really cool.

It sounds like she's got all the good stuff going.

She's got some good vibes.

Totally.

And I love how she just, she our podcast self-care to kind of help her weekly and that's that's exactly what we're

setting out to do so that's very cool guys make sure you leave a review because it just might be

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