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I am your host, Michael Covel.

Not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

My guest today, Art Collins, one of those voices, one of those mentors to me that has given me

great pearls of wisdom over the year. He's even shared with me some very rare audio cassettes that

I don't think he's shared with many other people. Art brings great insights across books like Market Beaters and beating

the financial futures market. If I go through his Market Beater's book and just look at

that table of contents, many guests that have appeared on this show, ranging from Robert

Pardo, Larry Williams, Tom DeMarke, Mike Devere, and the legendary Bill Dunn, one of my all-time favorites.

I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Art Collins.

So here's why I want to jump in, Art. I want to know how you came to be a guy that people like Richard Dennis and Bill Dunn would trust you, would give you their time. These are not guys that have been

widely quoted in the last 30 years. Early on in his career, Richard Dennis has quoted a lot,

but he's been a little more reclusive. How did you, and this kind of opens up a big picture

question about you as well, but how did you come to be this guy? And it's not

just Rich Dennis and Bill Dunn, but from Bob Pardo to Mike Devere to Larry Williams, you've gone

down a path. And look, you and I both have to pay homage to a guy like Jack Schweger because Jack

has done this stuff before you

and I, but still, a lot of people like to go down the path where Rich Dennis and Bill Dunn

give them their time. But you pulled that off. How did that happen? Never been asked that

before. You know, I think maybe part of it is I'm not a

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