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Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

Ep. 572 - FAN FAVORITE | Sean Kim (HighLevel CPO, Former Kajabi President, Ex-Amazon, TikTok): Conquer Imposter Syndrome and Lead Powerfully

Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

Second in Command with Cameron Herold

Business, Entrepreneurship, Careers, Management

4.9 • 225 Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS

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Summary

What if the key to scaling your business wasn’t more people, but ruthless focus combined with relentless speed?

Cameron Herold teams up with Sean Kim, the former President and Chief Product Officer at Kajabi (ex-Amazon, ex-TikTok) and the current Chief Product Officer at HighLevel, to crack open the playbook that turns chaos into proven, compounding wins. Inside this conversation: why leaders who say “no” more often grow faster, how to make data the backbone of every decision, and the real story behind powering a $1.7B creator platform without burning out your team or chasing shiny objects.

Listen now to dodge the trap of feature bloat, hiring sprees, and slow, clunky execution. These are unfiltered insights and backed-up frameworks from the inside that you simply won’t get anywhere else, unapologetically blunt, deeply actionable, and designed for COOs and founders ready to scale, not just survive.

Timestamped Highlights

00:23 – Why Sean Kim said “hell no” to TikTok… at first. The surprising conversation that changed everything

01:10 – “Discovery” is the real unlock… how it built TikTok’s domination and sparked Sean Kim’s obsession

08:18 – What happens when you leave Amazon’s scale for pure startup chaos… scrappy desks, no process, and surviving the LA office

09:24 – The secret power of the “doc writing” culture… how writing, not slides, became TikTok and Amazon’s unfair advantage

12:24 – Ruthless speed… fail fast, double down faster, and outmaneuver every competitor. This is how TikTok really operates

14:45 – Why Kajabi never bloats its teams… and how knowing exactly when to hire is a massive competitive edge

17:13 – The impact calculator… predicting revenue, retention, and customer wins before a single feature ships

25:40 – How to crush “feature creep” and avoid turning your SaaS into a Frankenstein’s monster

About the Guest

Sean Kim was previously the President and Chief Product Officer of Kajabi, the all-in-one platform powering $1.7B+ in annual creator revenue. He previously led product teams at TikTok and Amazon Prime, shaping global growth strategies and a customer-obsessed culture. With a reputation for world-class execution and a bold, systems-driven mindset, Sean stands out as a top operator for scale-minded founders and COOs. He is currently the Chief Product Officer at HighLevel.

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Note: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.

The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

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0:00.0

Hey there, just a quick note before we dive in. This is actually one of our older episodes,

0:04.3

but we're bringing it back because it's one of the most downloaded ones we've ever released.

0:08.1

Clearly, it struck a chord with a lot of listeners, and I know there's so much value packed inside.

0:13.5

So whether you're hearing it for the first time or revisiting it, enjoy this fan favor.

0:19.0

So if we lost a product in the space, we estimate that we can improve

0:23.1

attention by 1%, 2%. If we launched in January, we can predict out how many people will save.

0:29.6

So we have different versions of this in Pat Calvulator, depending on where the product is launched,

0:37.7

whether it's like in the front door or the back door,

0:39.7

you know, that's a source of service.

0:41.1

We work with the FedOps team,

0:42.9

kind of build it out, model it out,

0:44.3

and then we got pretty good at predicting impact for products.

0:49.3

I was on, we launched this thing like, man,

0:50.9

we were able to predict down to like five biffs in terms of.

0:56.6

Welcome to the Second in Command podcast, produced by the COO Alliance and brought to you by its founder,

1:03.3

Cameron Harold.

1:04.6

In the Second in Command podcast, we talked to top COOs who share the insights, strategies, and

1:10.3

tactics that made them the chief

1:12.1

behind the chief.

1:13.5

And now here's your co-host, former CEO of a multi-eight-figure remote company and alumni

1:19.2

member of the COO Alliance, Savannah Brewer.

1:24.3

Our guest today is the President and Chief Product officer of Kajavi, Sean Kim.

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