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So come on and join the Patreon over at patreon.com slash ind Defensive Plants and help keep this show up and running in the process. I hope to see you over there. But in the meantime, on with the show. Hello everyone and welcome to the Indefensive Plants podcast, the official podcast of Indefensibleplants.com. What's up? This is your host, Matt. Welcome to the show. How is

everyone doing this week? If you've been in Western North America, you have undoubtedly

encountered the world of Sagebrush in some form or another. It's a highly charismatic

plant that dominates many areas, and it's also a foundational species for the ecosystems

of that region. It makes much of the Western economy possible,

but it is under constant threat through things like massive megafires, invasive species, and climate

change. How these plant communities are going to change and what we can do to restore them has

become the focus of people like Dr. Trevor Coglin, who is spending a lot of his time thinking about different

ways to try to understand this ecosystem and help land managers piece it back together.

This is a really fascinating world of science, and it's got a lot of fascinating ways in which

it applies to our lives as well. So I don't want to steal any more of his thunder. Without

further ado, here's my conversation with Dr. Trevor Coglin. I hope you enjoy. All right, Dr. Trevor Coglin. Welcome to the podcast. I am pumped to talk with you about your subject matter today, but first, let's start off with an introduction. Tell everyone a little bit about who you are and what it is you do. Sure. So my name is Trevor Coglin. I am a professor at Boise State University in our Department of Biological Sciences. And I run a research lab

that studies restoration ecology. And what we're really focused on is applying new types of

technology, including drone imagery and satellite imagery, to be able to address the challenge of large-scale restoration.

So how do we design restoration activities that are suitable for restoring large areas that have

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