Hey, dude, bad is David. I've just finished interviewing with Frankie. And this episode is great, actually. The areas we go into that I hadn't necessarily expected that I think you'll love is one of them to do with training high school students in cross country and the level of mileage that he feels is that actually teenagers can handle, but also the evolution of the sport was

fascinating and how the differences between the number of trainers people are now wearing

and the trainer they're wearing while they train is having an impact on how much mileage

they can take and changing the rules of not only the

distances that younger athletes are running, but also the ability to then carry that through

to later years. We also talked about his run crew of a thousand, over a thousand people running

that's got something like 30,000 followers on

Instagram. It's absolutely matters. And he talks through his kind of secrets of why that's

been the success and the key to ensuring that you can still have these big runs without it,

even losing its spirit or becoming destructive on the local area.

And then we finish off all to do with bandits,

which I explained in this interest.

So take it away, Nick.

They're bad, their boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the bad boy running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around.

But that doesn't mean that you have to leave down.

Our next guest, if you're from North America, you would know him for sure because of the

impact he's had in so many different areas, whether that's massive running club, starting

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