What's up everybody? This is the Betray, the addicted, and the expert. My name is Brannon and I am the expert.

And I'm Ashland and I was the Betray portrayed. And I'm Kobe, the recovering addict.

What you're going to get is three unique perspectives on recovery and tools for hope and healing.

Let's start with a fan shout out.

So it says, I'm a therapist and also a betrayed spouse who leads a support group for women who have been

devastated by their husband's infidelity and are fighting for their recovery and their

marriages and I will be sharing this with my group. I love the dynamics

of hearing from an expert and a couple because it really gives you a glimpse of what

counseling can look like and how educating yourself and awareness brings change and empowerment.

Thank you all for being courageous to step out and talk about the things that most people are terrified to explore.

I'll be using this as much needs as a much needed resource in my

counseling practice and know my husband and I will benefit tremendously. Thank you.

So that's cool. I think that's really cool to hear from a therapist. Yes. Thank you

to like the fact that she is she's a therapist leading woman who's also been

trade. It's like man that's my therapist. Yeah. Amazing. So you know I've heard from several therapists that they're using our content in their work and I think that's really cool because we talk about things that I talk about in therapy so

and things that you've been through in therapy right so I think that's awesome so I

encourage therapists to use it if it's helpful and use it in groups if it's helpful. That's why we do it. So that's right. All right speaking of that we're talking about something that we talk about in therapy a lot which is grief so I know like that you might

be shutting off the podcast now because who wants to talk about grief that's not a fun

topic but it is an important topic for recovery.

It's so important.

But grief, when I say the word grief, what do you guys think of?

Like death and yeah super sad. Yeah that's the first

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