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HerMoney with Jean Chatzky

Ep 530: How to Think Like a Millionaire When the Economy Feels Out of Control

HerMoney with Jean Chatzky

Jean Chatzky Her Money

Investing, Business

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

If you've been feeling financially anxious lately, the numbers back you up. A record 55% of Americans say their financial situation is getting worse, and 67% say they're more afraid of running out of money than dying.  This week, Jean sits down with Carrie Joy Grimes, author of the new book The Joy of Money, for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about financial anxiety, behavioral science, and exactly what wealthy people are doing with their money right now. In this episode, we cover: What wealthy people do differently with their money during volatile markets The Life Happens Fund: why a basic emergency fund isn't enough and how to build a real financial cushion The three-step self-compassion practice backed by behavioral science that helps you stop shame-spiraling over money mistakes The "Good Enough Retirement Vision" exercise that will help you stop feeling paralyzed about the future And if today's conversation got you thinking about your financial future, don't miss Jean's brand new book, The Forever Paycheck. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:19.7

So I think we have two different kinds of anxieties.

0:22.5

There's this short-term financial anxiety, which is very rational and very mathematical.

0:27.6

And also the volatility of the market makes people really worried about the immediate and medium-term future.

0:32.3

Then there's less like longer-term anxiety that people are feeling.

0:35.6

And this isn't happening just among lower-income folks.

0:38.2

I mean, this is people who are middle-income, who are upper-middle income, who are still

0:42.7

feeling this squeeze of health care having gone up so much, education and housing and

0:46.8

child care.

0:47.4

So I have good news and bad news.

0:50.1

The bad news is it is as hard as it feels.

0:53.2

But the good news is there are things we can do about it.

0:58.1

Hey, everyone.

0:59.4

Welcome to Her Money.

1:00.6

I'm Gene Chatsky.

1:01.8

And here is a stat that stopped me in my tracks.

1:05.8

A new Gallup poll found that 67% of Americans say they are more afraid of running out of money than they

1:13.8

are of dying. Dying. That's up 10 percentage points from just a year ago. And in the same poll,

1:21.6

55% of Americans say their financial situation is getting worse. That's a higher percentage than during COVID, higher even than during the Great Recession.

1:33.1

And so if you are feeling like your money anxiety is at an all-time high lately,

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