This is Annie Grace and you're listening to this naked mind podcast where without judgment,

pain or rules, we explore the role of alcohol in our lives and culture.

Hi, this is Annie Grace and welcome to this naked mind podcast.

I'm so glad to have you here.

Today I have something really cool.

I was featured on someone named Michael's podcast and he has a business called StillFeel21.com.

And the conversation we had, I just really got to the crux, the heart of almost everything.

I mean within 30 minutes we went so deep into some of the most important topics around society

and around conditioning and around how we got here in the first place and around what alcohol

really does and the science and it was just really, really meaty and really profound.

And so this week I just wanted to share it with you on this podcast because I thought it was

such a great conversation. So I hope you enjoy.

Hey everybody, I am Michael Patrick from StillFeel21.com and I am very grateful and very excited

to have a special guest with me today. So I have the author of this naked mind. So Annie Grace,

thank you so much for taking the time and welcome.

No, thanks so much Michael. It's a pleasure to be here.

Awesome, very cool. So I'm going to read if everyone can pardon me for reading all for card.

I want to read the subtitle to your book because I think that's really going to set the tone

for what we're going to dig into. So this naked mind, control alcohol, find freedom,

rediscover happiness and change your life. So Annie, I think a great place to start,

which is one of the things that struck me the most about your book was your approach to people

in managing alcohol. It was not a zero sum game. You seem to leave room and openness to people,

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