This is Annie Grace and you're listening to this naked mind podcast where without judgment,

pain or rules, we explore the role of alcohol in our lives and culture.

Alright, this is Annie Grace. I'm welcome to this naked mind podcast and today's guest,

I always say that I'm really excited, but that would be a massive understatement.

So I'm here with Steve O'Zanage. Welcome Steve. Thank you.

And Steve, I would say has as much credit and responsibility for this naked mind being

written and being born as anybody else. Because what happened was in my story, I was suffering

from really bad back pain. I read Dr. Sarno's book Healing Back Pain and I really realized the

connection between the unconscious mind and the pain that I was feeling. Also realized this,

the entire principle and foundation of everything that my work is built on was that basically,

I identified this issue where my conscious mind wanted to stop drinking or to drink much less

and my unconscious mind simply hadn't got the memo. So it was creating this huge inner conflict.

And I reached out to Dr. Sarno and said, you know, and actually was put in touch with Steve.

And Steve was kind enough to take about three hours, I think, of a Skype call with me.

And I remember Steve, he looked me in the eye and he said, yes, this, all of Dr. Sarno's work,

all of these theories, all of the books that I've written can absolutely work for alcohol addiction.

And it was kind of in that moment that I was like, oh, okay, I'm going to do this. And so anyway,

first of all, thank you. Thank you for everything just publicly. Thank you.

Well, you know, that's really nice. You know, I was nice to hear and you've done so much since we

talked. I remember it was a few years ago and you know, you're changing lives and that's,

that's everything. It gives us a much more meaningful life. And of course, like you said, Dr. Sarno

started it off. He saved my life. I wrote books that saved lives. And now you're out there writing

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