Hi, this is Josh Marshall, and this is the Josh Marshall podcast.

Today we are talking to a... I was going to say... I was going to say I was going to say rider but that but rider doesn't capture several

of the elements and the formats we have we have jeiet here here and I usually call myself well known Twitter clown

Okay. All right. Well I didn't isn't isn't in your in your in your in your bio it says Twitter essay is?

Twitter essays.

Okay, right right right.

Yeah, unfortunately that's probably going to be on my obituary

that I was the one of the pioneers of the Twitter essay forum.

Right, right, right.

So, and then we also have David Tainter, my colleague.

Hey guys, David. So today we are, we're talking to Jeed and and, um, many of you, I'm sure know JET from Twitter where not only does he have a big voice but was sort of, I mean it's funny, you're an innovator in a medium that should be destroyed and is

destroying the world basically. But still.

That's right. I often feel like Oppenheimer when the atomic bomb went off.

I have become death, the destroyer of worlds.

Basically, basically.

So yeah, I think around, I mean, I was actually a little bit late to Twitter,

but once I started picking it up I noticed some people like David Fromm were doing sort of continuous tweets and then I started to really get into that and I think I helped I didn't certainly didn't create the form but I think I popularized

the Twitter essay or Twitter Storm. I don't know what to say like me a culpa

But I do think like I don't know know, I mean I have mixed, see for me Twitter has been very good, like I think I owe a lot of my

prominence, I mean I've been a writer for a long time, but like my current prominence to Twitter and it's connected with a lot of people like you and

so it's been good but I do recognize that it has a lot of social harm and I

actually I think I just saw an article in Jacobin which seems like an

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