Hello, hi, John. Oh, hi, Merlin. How's it going? Oh, it's good. It's really good. I needed to find I needed to find the knob.

Um, the, yeah, it's not, yeah, I only talked about show on the show, but sometimes, you know, I try to be mindful. It's a thing I'm working on and I take a little beat while it's going to beat, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, and I think, hey, I'm just, I'm just here. I'm being in the moment and waiting for what happens. And then you answer and you sound pretty much any way. However, and like, it always makes me laugh because I'm always just

imagining what it's like there, you know, and, and that's what happens. I guess when you get mindful is, is you, is you laugh when it sounds like John's inside a couch. Here he is. And there he is. Yeah, Chris Walla once said every, you know, we're making a record. He said every time you, you walk in the door, I have no idea whether you're going to be dressed like a rhinestone cowboy or like a, like a ninja or like a banker. He said, I don't know. I hear the door open behind

me and I'm just like, what's it going to be? And he's in my, it's kind of, I would have to guess just knowing how people are and knowing to some extent how Chris Walla is, I imagine it's a combination of excitement, exhilaration and abject feeling. Well, because he doesn't know what the uniform of the day is. He doesn't know what he's in for. Is he wearing a cemetery? Is he wearing a wizard hat? If he is an angel, will I see him? And you know, Chris Walla wears a red converse every day.

And when converse announced his mom, his mom got him. He did, he started wearing when he's seven and when converse stopped making shoes in America, he went out and bought 22 pairs of red converse and stacked them in a closet somewhere. Oh, wow. So he would, so he would never run out, you know, and, and so he just, he just couldn't understand like how, how, how I owned one piece of clothing with fringe on it, let alone like enough to put together three or four outfits.

Oh, you're saying like in the card catalog that is your closet, there might be an area that's just for fringe related.

Absolutely. Absolutely. A friend the other day said, I'm going to this 70s party and I need some white shoes. And I said, what's that? Are you?

Because I have, you know, between 11 and 13, I have four or five pairs of white, you know, white bucks, what not? I, you know, I don't usually, I don't usually give free advertising.

Oh, oh, let's, okay. Well, we haven't talked about this, but the other day, I was doing a thing I was searching around.

Oh, this happened today. In fact, this is a different searching around, but, but maybe you, you're the one that would know about this. Oh, okay.

So, so I was, you know, I was doing a deep dive as you do, deep dive as you do, and, uh,

and I came upon a British artist by the name of Stephen Duffy. Are you familiar with this artist? He had a band called. Oh, wait, my like time. Oh, I thought it was the singer from the cult, but

my like time. Yeah, I remember them. So I started mid late 80s. Yeah, this, they were 120 minutes. That's right. He was the original singer of Durand Iran.

And I don't know how I proceeded, uh, Sir Simon LeBond. Yeah, he did. He did. He was like, he met John Taylor at art college or something. And so I'm like, who is this guy?

So I started reading about him this morning. And, uh, and then it gets down to the bottom. And it's like, uh, Stephen Page of the bear naked ladies sent this guy a demo tape when Stephen

Page was 17. And they co-wrote a bunch of songs together that were on the first bear naked ladies record.

So I, is that a Canadian one week band? Yeah, yeah, but chicken to China, uh, chicken, Chinese chicken. Oh, Chinese chicken, Chinese chicken. And so I regularly, uh, text with Stephen Page. So I texted him and said, you worked with this guy that used to be the, uh, the singer of Durand Iran. And he's in England right now. And he texted me and said, I'm working with them right this minute. See, I love to hear things like this. Isn't this crazy? He's like, I'm just breaking down walls.

It didn't stop in 1989, John. There's still so many walls, Mr. Gorbachev, RIP, somebody needs to tear down. And I like it when we see unconventional pairings. You know, I think golf is a thing that does this. I feel like golf. That's where you, well, that's where you run into Mr. Avas Cooper, who, who apparently love. But you know, I mean, we don't get that as non golfers. I'm not, obviously, I'm not a golfer. But like, I, I feel like I love to see these pairings. And it makes me happy. So let me just die. That was a lot for me to follow.

Your friends with Lilac time guy. No, I'm friends with Barron, it could ladies guy really. Well, yeah, don't you remember, you know, they're, you know, they're really big in Canada.

Well, I know, but he got kicked out of the band because he got, there was some drug scandal. And so he, he was the guy. He was the one I thought that was the, was, oh, he's like the, uh, like the Terry calf of the band.

Is that the guy's name, the guy who started Chicago and was totally his band until it wasn't anymore. And there's Peter's terrace band. Yeah, I think he was the, he was the starter of the thing. Yeah, I think and he was like the one that had like, you know, he's a little, he's kind of a little

Chubs, you know, he's a little bit zafting. And he was the one that you always look to. He was the guy was in the Duran Duran before Duran Duran. Right. Right. So we were talking about here is we're talking about a, a flight of Pete's best.

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