I'm Elizabeth Reese.

I'm Marjorie Punit.

This is Best to the Nest, the podcast that is all about creating strong, comfortable, beautiful nests that prepare us to fly.

And today, we're going to talk about the evolution of how

to get dressed, particularly if you find yourself in a box in people's homes. And I'm referring to

La Television, a very interesting article published in the Minnesota Star Tribune. I was quoted without my knowledge,

but turns out the quote was accurate. And we're going to dig into this today. It's really,

really interesting stuff. That's weird when your words pop right back up two or three years later.

It's scary when you get a Google alert from the Star Tribune and you don't remember having a

conversation with the Star Tribune recently. don't remember having a conversation with the Star

Tribune recently and you're thinking, oh no, what are they going to say about me now? Just a little

inside baseball, there was a gossip columnist who worked for the Star Tribune for a very long time

who would write some quite unflattering things about me early in my career.

And even about my family, it got pretty nasty there for a while. And so I have a little bit

of like PTSD when I see my name pop up in that newspaper. I need to let it go because in recent

years it's been fine. Their coverage of me has been mine, but I still have like some emotion attached to that, Marjorie. I know you understand. I understand because I was witness to when you and I first started doing the show together. That columnist wrote a column about the fact that we were starting the show together and she was unkind to you.

To me.

And I really have never seen you struggle except the next day on our show.

And nobody would have heard the struggle on the air, but in between breaks you were putting your

head down.

Because you just felt really

sort of, it was hard. It's just really hard. And so I think a lot of people can identify

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