This is Annie Grace and you're listening to this naked mind podcast where without

judgment, pain or rules, we explore the role of alcohol in our lives and culture.

Hi, this is Annie Grace and welcome to this naked mind podcast. I know I always say that

I'm super excited about my guests, but today it's kind of a different level.

Holly, welcome Holly. It's so good to have you here.

Hey, I know. It's funny. We've known each other. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry.

It's just so awesome. Yeah, like just since the very, very beginning of time, I think Holly,

your blog, this is Holly Glenn Whitaker, founder of Hip-Supriety and if you haven't gone

hip-supriety.com and read her writing, it's, it gives me chills. It's, it's some of the best on the

internet. I mean, truly phenomenal. And your blog was one of the first things I ever wrote,

read. And then out of the blue, I was on my phone one night in bed just feeling like uncertain

about everything I put this book into the world. I didn't know what I was doing and you messaged me

and he said, Hey, I love your book and I probably could have fallen out of my bed. Like,

you, you love my book. Oh, my God. Life is complete. It was amazing.

But thank you for being here. Well, I was, I remember that, like, I remember that exchange

because I got your book. It was 2015. It was like, it came out October 2015.

And I was like, I had just left San Francisco living with my mom and I remember getting,

I remember Laura had boarded it to me and it was just like the first time because I got,

I stopped drinking because Alan Carr's book and I was like, Oh, my God, this is like an American

woman writing, like, like writing these principles, these concepts and backing it up with science.

And it was just, I mean, it was fantastic. And then he said, you knew who I was. And I was like,

Oh, my God, you know, why would you? It was total. It was awesome. We really liked how to crush it.

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