Welcome to the Vortex Nation podcast, brought to you by lovers of hunting, shooting, public lands, the Second Amendment, and good food.

What is up, everybody? Mark on the mic, Mr. Ryan Muck and Hehern, to my right, and across from us at the Western Hunting Conservation Expo, we have Mr. Ryan Avery from the Shoot to Hunt podcast slash rock slide slash unknown munitions.

And then we have Mr. Cliff from unknown suppressors slash unknown munitions.

Of course, Ryan and I are from vortex optics here. And we have a spider web. Did I say that

correctly? Yeah, vortex optics. Okay. We've got a spider web of people and companies and

interconnectedness.

And this is going to be fun.

Connection.

It's the first time it's ever worked on this podcast.

And this is going to be a fun conversation just talking about both you guys' companies,

what you have going on, how you're working together, some cool new products, which is always

fun.

If you're watching on YouTube, you might be like, well, they don't look like they're at the Western Conservation Expo. We're a little, our little annex room, Ryan, we've kind of commandeered this meeting room and built ourselves a quaint little set here. Some different acoustics in this room. It's got a bit of a reverb. We'll see if that plays

into the mics. I think we ought to be okay. I don't know anything about it. It's going to set the tone. Cliff? Yes, sir. What's going on, man? Let's do a quick intro. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Where you're from, favorite color. Unknown munitions, or unknown suppressors. You know, unknown musicians. It is a spider web.

I understand the confusion.

So... unknown suppressors, you know, unknown munitions. Yeah, walk us. It is a spider web.

I understand the confusion.

So it all started with unknown munitions, really.

Jake Mishini, the owner of unknown munitions, started building rifles, really making

ammo in his garage, which transitioned into building rifles.

And then eventually started making his own products,

which is how I met him.

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