They're bad, their boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around, but that doesn't mean that you

have to leave town.

Come back.

Hey, do, Ben.

As well, to Bad Boy Running.

Sometimes in the podcast, we get our guests because current guests then mention

someone who they're like, oh, you've got to speak

to them. They'd be brilliant. And when we were speaking to Damo about two months ago, he mentioned

Josephine as someone he was working closely with. And he actually mentioned her in the book,

he was also talking about. So we had to go out and get her because I've realized we've almost

neglected psychology as a subject on the podcast because there just don't seem to be a huge number of sports psychologists out there who really are used in running.

And even as there are, I've not found that many.

We've never really had many people themselves who've said, I need this or I want this.

So we thought we've got to get her on.

And thankfully she's agreed.

So welcome on the podcast, Dr. Joseph Fid Perry.

Thank you for having me.

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