This is Annie Grace and you're listening to this naked mind podcast where without judgment,

pain or rules, we explore the role of alcohol in our lives and culture.

Hi, this is Annie Grace and welcome to this naked mind podcast. I'm really thrilled to be here because I was fortunate enough to meet Stacey, my guest welcome Stacey.

Hey, hey, it's just great to have you here. I was fortunate enough to meet Stacey during kind of a mutual contact at a marketing conference and almost immediately we sort of hit it off because Stacey's work is just profound and life changing.

I'm going to read a little bit of your bio Stacey because I think it's it's the best way to kind of introduce you to everyone in my audience, but Stacey Martinez believes that it only takes one partner to transform any relationship and you're absolutely passionate about empowering people with a relationship education that nobody ever teaches us.

And Stacey, you and your husband Paul, you founded relationship development dot org, create is a relationship you and it's really for personal development on your relationship and so you do all sorts of online coaching, strategic, partnership programs, you've helped tens of thousands of people around the world transform their love relationship.

And I think that's just amazing. You've been trained and certified by Tony Robbins who I went to see Tony last November. It was life changing. It was absolutely incredible.

Your certified marriage educator and divorce preventionist, which I think is just an awesome title. And of course, international best selling author sought after relationship as for and passionate and engaging speaker.

And Stacey, so we met about I'd say it was like six or eight months ago now. And it was just such a I think fortunate meeting because your work and my work, we just couldn't stop talking about how they intersected.

Yes, and it doesn't sound intuitive right at the beginning because it's kind of like, okay, and you're helping people either quit or cut back on their drinking and Stacey, you're helping people really save or have the best marriages they can, but you want to just talk a little bit about why these topics are so intertwined.

Yeah, it was like a spark as soon as we met and discovered what each of us did because immediately I'm like, any my people need you.

And with the more we talk, the more we found out how much synergy there was not just in our topics, because we both serve people who are in relationships and have families.

And this is a marriage topic as much as it is anything else, but also in our methodologies right because here you are with this amazing revolutionary process to help people shift how they relate to drinking and a lot of it is about patterns and and satisfied needs to other ways.

And we basically use a similar personal development type of approach to how people show up in their marriage and how they interact with their partner, meaning undoing the invisible default patterns that give us into a situation that we don't want.

And strategically showing up following proven patterns that really work to give us the results that we do want there's so much synergy and how we do that.

And so we were just like a million miles of it and we couldn't get enough chat time.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's so one of the things that you can comment on and why I wanted to have you on the podcast is because I feel like your wisdom is so important for my readers and my listeners.

One of the things that happens when somebody decides to change their drinking is that often that such a deep internal decision it's made from such a personal place that even if you have the closest marriage in the world, it's very rare that I get a letter from a husband and wife who decided to quit together.

And I'm like awesome good for you, but but that's the very rare thing more often, even if the husband's been like, come on, you really need to do something about this and then the wife changes or vice versa.

The person who changes is then it disrupts the marriage like no matter what and it's funny because you think, oh, it's such a positive change. It's even a change that often the spouse has been wanting and you know hoping for.

But it completely seems to disrupt the rhythm. Can you speak to that a little bit?

Yeah, absolutely. And it's so deep. It doesn't matter. I know this specifically applies for sure to drinking.

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