Marcion Saga here, welcome back to The Realignment.

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Moving into the show, anyone who listens to The Realignment can tell that Saga might

definitely have a point of view on the issues we discuss.

One of those issues is the concept of industrial policy, which is broadly defined as a national

effort to identify and its support growth target in industries, right?

But industrial policies is seen by supporters as a response to the decline of manufacturing

capacity in the United States, increasing and focus competition on China through initiatives

that they have launched like Made in China 2025 program, which explicitly seeks to challenge

the US in high value sector, things like aircraft, semiconductor, production.

So all that being said, we think it's very great value, right?

In challenging one's assumptions and engaging in good faith with thinkers who hold different

points of view.

So this week we are bringing on the Hudson Senior Fellow Tom's Duster Bird onto the podcast.

He's going to expand on a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed where he made the case against

industrial policy.

And you're going to see a lot of disagreement during the episode of the part that I was

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