Saga and Marshall here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

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So this week we spoke with Michael Schillenberger, an environmental activist who's currently

the founder and president of Environmental Progress, a research institute based out of California.

His new book is Apocalypse Never, Why Environmental Alarmism Huts us All. What makes Michael's

work so interesting and why I really enjoy this conversation is his sterling credentials

in the environmental movement. His contrarian approach to the debates about the response

to climate change aren't cynical or denialist. Early in his career, he was actually named

the Time Magazine Hero of the Environment and worked with the Intergovernmental Panel

on Climate Change. Yeah, and what makes Michael's opposition to policy approaches such as

the Green New Deal so interesting is that he couches it in rejecting the quote overheated

get it rhetoric on a level of threat posed by climate change from his belief whenever

you pull back the curtains, you actually find that these approaches are doomed to failure

and that there are a lot more alternative approaches like nuclear energy that need to be

looked at. On top of all of his environmental work, Michael previously ran for governor

of California during the 2018 Democratic primary. He's got a lot of herred or heterodox views

on the issues that are facing the state. We really enjoy talking with him about the challenges

that are facing California because of so many of the themes that we focus on during the

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