Because one of the things that's going to happen right now, there is a low-level but persistent FBI investigation going on of the close-and-counter experience, as I understand it, as I have been told, by friends who should know.

The purpose of this, in my opinion, is for them to be able to come out publicly and say,

the FBI has investigated this and there's nothing to it.

Welcome back to Cosmosis.

I'm Jay Christopher King, here with my co-host, Kelly Chase.

If you're new to the show, Cosmosis is a podcast that grew out of our doggie series, Cosmosis, UFOs in the New Reality, produced by our media company on Talklips Productions.

After more than a year of working on the series, we realized there were still so much to explore.

So many ideas, insights, and stories that didn't make it into the final cut.

This podcast is our way of continuing that conversation,

diving deeper into the experiences and perspectives that are reshaping, our understanding of reality.

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Now today, we're continuing our conversation with Whitley Streber.

In the last episode, we explored his latest book,

The Fourth Mind, and his approach to understanding the anomalous. But in this episode, we move

even deeper into the unknown, into the nature of the visitors, and what it means to truly

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