And now here we are all of these years later, finally beginning to understand what it actually means to let them share our experience of living in time with them.

Welcome back to Cosmosis. I'm your host, Kelly Chase, along with my co-host, Jay Christopher King.

Before we begin, I just wanted to say how much we appreciate all of you who have been

tuning in and supporting the show.

If you're new here, Cosmosis is a podcast that grew out of our recent docu-series, Cosmosis, UFOs, and a New Reality,

produced by our media company On Tocalypse Productions.

After more than a year of working on the series, we realized that there was so much more to explore,

so many ideas, insights, and stories that didn't make it into the final cut.

This podcast is our way of continuing that journey, diving deeper into the concepts and

experiences that are shaping our understanding of reality.

But don't worry.

If you haven't seen the docuseries yet, you can absolutely follow along with the podcast.

But if you like what you hear, we hope you'll

check it out. Cosmosis, UFOs, and a new reality is available now on Amazon Prime, Apple TV,

Van Dengo at Home, Vimeo, YouTube, and more. You can find all the links atcosmosis.media.

And if you'd like to support the show and help us keep

these conversations going, consider joining us on Patreon. Patrons get early access to ad-free

episodes and other exclusive perks. You can find all the details at patreon.com slash Cosmosis Media.

Today's guest is someone that both Kelly and I admire immensely, Whitley Streber.

Whitley hasn't just courageously led the way as a public experiencer who has had to navigate

the stigma that comes with all that.

He's also one of the most important thinkers in the realm of anomalous experience in contact

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