Hello, welcome to the Adam Ruins Everything Podcast. I am Adam Conover.

This is the podcast version of a TV show that I do on True TV and guess what new episodes that TV show are coming

back August 23rd Tuesday nights on True TV and in the meantime you can find

clips and full episodes at true TV.com slash Adam Ruins Everything and the watch True TV app. But look here's

the deal if you haven't seen the TV show it's an informational comedy show where I tell

you the awful truth about everything you didn't want to have to need to know. I think that's

her tagline. I probably screwed it up, but it's fine. But look, you don't have to have seen the

TV show to enjoy the podcast and I'll tell you why. The way the TV show works is

we have experts on. We have some

fascinating people from the world of ideas and technology and science and

advocacy and just like some incredible people. But on the TV show we only get to

talk to him for about two minutes.

On this podcast, I talk to them for 45 minutes, 50 minutes, sometimes even an hour.

And we talk about the fascinating ideas that they are experts in for a really long time and you know what I

think it'll be educational fun even if you haven't seen the show that's my deal but you know

what if you disagree you can email me and tell me about it that's fine so which one are we

talking to today I think a lot of people will be excited for this one my

guess today is Bruce Shnier he is an internationally renowned security

technologist the economist called him a security guru, but you don't have to take the economist's word for it. I myself call him a security guru.

He was on our security episode talking about security theater.

One of the most popular segments we've ever done on the show

all about how the TSA doesn't stop terrorist attacks.

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