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Earlier this week I had a great and insightful and encouraging conversation

with my friend and brother La Cray who is an award-winning hip-hop artist and author

and I think you're going to find the conversation to be super insightful.

It gives a glimpse into things that both of us have confronted and dealt with

in our lives and La Cray knew me way back when I was a senior pastor in Atlanta

and we actually collaborated at some conferences and events.

And I had not actually seen him face to face. This was...

We had a video conversation in a very long time.

We DM and encourage each other all the time.

But I want you to hear this conversation.

It is about the intersection of race, politics, Christianity, religion, white supremacy

and so much more.

Both of us were super transparent and just shared our hearts encouraging each other the entire way.

The conversation was recorded if I have my time right.

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