This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Alteter Show on the Stansbury Radio Network.

I'm here with Jim Meadows Jr. creator of Dexter.

You wrote and produced the first episode of one of my favorite shows Dexter.

You also were a co-producer on the sopranos and wrote...

I was the consulting producer on the sopranos.

But you did write one of the best episodes ever, not just of the sopranos, but of all time.

I remember it well, the college episode when Tony soprano takes meadow up to college.

And at the same time, essentially does his first by his own hands killing.

So I want to ask you about that later.

But first, thank you for coming on the show. I'm really glad you're here.

And thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it.

So I have kind of a bigger question to ask about these shows and kind of the genre of shows that sort of started with the sopranos.

Which is, you know, it seems like the best shows these days.

Mad Men, Breaking Bad, sopranos, Dexter, The Shield, which you also were a producer on.

These shows all celebrate the anti-hero.

Not even the non-hero. Like, let's say, let's say, sign felt like non-heroes.

But the anti-hero is someone you wouldn't want to have in your living room.

And yet, everybody became obsessed with having all these characters in their living room every week.

What do you think changed in our culture or society that sort of switched this, you know, that sort of created this massive genre of television that became the best genre of television?

Well, I'm not really sure. I mean, I'm no sociologist. I just come up with stories.

I'm accusing you of being a sociologist, though.

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