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Ep. 387 Full-Time Literary with Denne Michele Norris

The Stacks

Traci Thomas

Literature, Society & Culture, Books, Arts

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

This week on The Stacks we are joined by Denne Michele Norris, the editor and chief of Electric Literature. She is the first Black, openly trans woman to helm a major literary publication. She is also behind two 2025 books, her debut novel, When the Harvest Comes and the anthology Both/And: Essays by Trans and Gender-Nonconforming Writers of Color. Today, we discuss her path to becoming “full time literary", and how she's using her seat at the table to bring more trans writers of color into the fold.

For the month of September, the Stacks Book Club will be reading The Lilac People by Milo Todd. We will discuss the book on Wednesday, September 24th with Denne Michele Norris returning as our guest.


You can find everything we discuss on today's show on The Stacks' website:

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0:00.0

Hi everybody, it's Tracy. I want to tell you about something new that I am offering this fall.

0:05.1

I will be teaching an online class all about understanding Shakespeare. The course is five weeks

0:10.8

long. It will begin on Wednesday, September 17th. It will go for the next five Wednesdays.

0:15.8

It is a class geared toward giving you the tools and concepts you need to understand the work of William Shakespeare.

0:22.3

I am so excited to teach this class. As you all know, I love Shakespeare's plays. And we are going to be

0:27.5

using two of my most beloved plays, 12th night and Richard III, to break down the crucial components

0:34.0

of Shakespeare's work, verse antithesis and and argument so if this sounds like something you'd

0:39.0

be interested in head to the stacks podcast.com slash understanding dash Shakespeare the class is

0:46.8

open now for all to enroll there are limited spots so grab your spots before it's too late

0:51.9

publishing is so emotional and there's just so much happening that you have to navigate

0:57.6

just to sort of stay afloat in it.

0:59.5

But I just have been able to sort of quiet myself and look around and be like, I published

1:05.2

two books with like the two biggest presses in the world.

1:08.4

And these are books that 10 years ago might not have been allowed to exist.

1:13.8

My entire vision as an editor is so much bigger than me.

1:19.0

It's about the people that I can bring to the conversation and bring to the table.

1:23.4

And it is about, in whatever way I'm able to, to change or grow the face of literature.

1:35.9

Welcome to the Stacks, podcast about books and the people who read them.

1:39.6

I'm your host, Tracy Thomas, and this week I am joined by Den Michelle Norris.

1:46.4

Den is the editor-in-chief of the online literary publication Electric Literature. Den is also the author of two books that came out this year,

1:53.3

one, her debut novel when The Harvest Comes, and the second, an anthology called Both and,

1:58.9

essays by trans and gender nonconforming Writers of Color.

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