And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN Audio, the Axe Files,

with your host, David Axelrod.

Cecilia Munoz is a remarkable person.

I first met her when she was one of the foremost advocates for immigration reform in the country

at the National Council of Laraza, which is now a unidosse US.

I worked with Cecilia when she served as Director of Intergovernmental Affairs in the White House

during the 2009 Financial Crisis, the H1N1 pandemic, and the Gulf Oil Disasters, so she

has a real perspective on what the government should be doing in moments of crisis.

She went on to lead President Obama's Domestic Policy Council, and now she's written a book

called More Than Ready, Part Memoir, and Part a series of lessons for young women of color

who want to follow in her path.

I sat down this week with Cecilia virtually, of course, to discuss her journey, how, based

on her experience, she feels the government is doing during the siege of COVID-19, and

about the fault lines in our society that the virus has once again exposed.

Here's that conversation.

Cecilia Munoz is so good to see you, my friend.

We went through a lot together sometime back, and it's great to see you now.

We did because you were the Director of Intergovernmental Affairs in the White House when I was

working as a senior advisor to the President, and I bring that up at the outset because

these are times in which intergovernmental relations are most important.

You worked with mayors and governors and local officials through a lot of situations.

It's the economic crisis of 2008 and 2009, also H1N1.

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