This is infants on Thrones, the philosophies of men, mingled with humans.

We are the core. Yay! Welcome back to Infants on Thrones. I'm Glenn O'Sland and today we have a conversation

between myself, Tom, Matt, and our special guest Bill Reel, a faithful active Mormon who runs the Mormon

Discussions Podcast, and recently did an episode on Spiritual Abuse. Now a video version

of this discussion is available on our Patreon page along with a bunch of other

Patreon-only content so go check us out on Patreon. But now sit back and listen to Bill

talk about the spiritual abuse he is experiencing at church,

why he's choosing to stick around anyway, and why Matt thinks that it's all a bunch of, well,

you can hear what Matt thinks about all this for yourself enjoy

enjoy all right so Bill let let's start just telling telling us story, you know, so I listened to the spiritual abuse, I think we all did.

Matt and Tom, you listen to that episode, right?

Yeah.

And like I was so moved by it like really emotionally moved my I my emotions totally went out and I cried with you while you were

Just emoting and struggling and it was you know it took me back to I don't know why however long ago it was when when I was the one that was sitting in Elderskorm and hearing people say things you know for me it was kind of like I don't know where I would be if it wasn't for the Book of Mormon or I don't know where I would be you know you know

suggesting that they'd be like these crack addicts or something like this

and I would say well look I've lived in Japan and they aren't even Christian they

don't even have the Bible and they're pretty awesome. They're pretty moral people generally. You know and so

it's those kind of like little narratives that that I was always pushing back on and

it wasn't really appreciated and it seems like that's

what you're bumping up against and I wanted to talk with you anyway before I mean

we chatted a little bit at Sunstone last year and talked about doing something together at some

point.

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