It's The Simple Show. You've got episode 35.

Hey, I'm Tish Oxen Rider, and I'm a family-oriented writer, traveler, and entrepreneur.

And you can find me on Twitter at Tish, that's T-S-H, on Instagram at TishOxon Rider, or find

the blog at the art of simple.net.

In this episode, I am continuing my chat with Stephanie Langford about extended travel with kids.

So if you haven't yet heard episode 34, you might want to go back and listen to that one first and then dive into this one, because this is part two of four as a special edition series

episode 34 was all about the why why travel when the kids are so young this episode episode

35 is about the how more of the nuts and bolts the packing and the planning why we brought

what we did how long it took us to plan, and how we planned.

Who did what between us and our husbands? More nitty-gritty stuff here. So if you're hoping for the

practical, this episode is for you. Before we get going, since we talk packing in this episode,

you're going to want to check out my personal foundation packing list I've published on the art of simple.

It's my detailed list of what I pack for myself whenever I travel for a week or longer.

It's more or less the same list, tweaked a bit, depending on the weather of where I'm going.

It's really surprisingly simple to pack. I think we make it harder than it needs to be.

So even if you're not going on a big round the world trip anytime soon,

you might still be inspired by my foundational packing list.

Go to the art of simple.net slash packing list.

Okay, Stephanie, let's talk about not so much the why anymore, but the how.

When you and I each went on our trips around the world,

we did not just, you know, decide to do this in a month later when. We spent collective years

on the planning side of things. And when people asked, how long did it take you to plan,

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