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Talking Scripture

Ep 346 | D&C 129-132, Come Follow Me 2025 (November 10-16)

Talking Scripture

Mike Day & Bryce Dunford

Religion & Spirituality

4.71.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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→ Timestamps: (00:00) Three grand keys on the nature of ministering angels and spirits.(02:04) Joseph Smith teaches that God has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s. Traditional Christianity has lost the understanding of Heavenly Father’s physical nature.(07:53) God resides on a globe like a sea of glass and fire.(09:08) Joseph asks the Lord about the timing of His Second Coming.(10:34) Truths learned in mortality will rise with us in the resurrection. Blessings are predicated upon obedience to law.(12:52) Section 130 prepares the Saints for truths that are revealed in the temple.(13:46) The crowning blessing of the gospel is to seal families for eternity. There are requirements for making marriage eternal.(18:39) Elder Howard’s story of the silver as it relates to eternal marriage. If you want something to last forever, you treat it differently.(24:23) 1st Scenario: If we choose to neither be married nor given in marriage in the eternities, we will remain separately and singly without exaltation. The compensatory grace of Jesus Christ will make this blessing available to all who were deprived of it through no blame of their own.(28:25) 2nd Scenario: If our marriage is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise then it is not in force when we are out of the world.(30:03) 3rd Scenario: If we marry in the temple and strive to keep the covenant, we will inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom and have continued increase. We will be as God, participating in His divine nature. The covenant allows for mistakes, repentance, and forgiveness.(37:01) Section 132 addresses plural marriage. Plural marriage played a role in Joseph’s martyrdom in 1844.(38:52) Plural marriage can be compared to Abraham’s test.(41:15) Plural marriage was practiced by the Patriarchs in Genesis.(42:59) The historical background of Section 132.(45:44) The RLDS Church (now The Community of Christ) contended that the President of the Church should be a direct descendant of Joseph Smith and that plural marriage was never taught by Joseph Smith. This letter to Emma (D&C 132) was used as a polemic against the RLDS teaching that Joseph did not practice plural marriage.(46:55) The Temple Lot Case was a property dispute between the RLDS Church and Church of Christ. In these proceedings, women testified under oath that they were married to the prophet Joseph Smith. This legal dispute provided a wealth of information about plural marriage in the Nauvoo period.(48:46) Plural marriage is not a requirement for exaltation. One man and one woman is the Lord’s standing law of marriage.(51:38) In D&C 132 the Lord gives several reasons why plural marriage was commanded.(53:51) Baruch Spinoza’s advice in our quest to understand the past.(54:41) Joseph Smith wrestled with plural marriage as early as 1830 or 1831 as he worked on his translation of the Bible. We have few details of his marriage to Fanny Alger during the Kirtland period.(59:53) During the Nauvoo era Joseph taught several close friends about plural marriage. Estimates are given of how many members lived this law.(1:01:45) The Saints during this time thought differently about temple sealings than we do today. They believed that the law of adoption and dynastic ties increased their glory.(1:07:36) Wilford Woodruff saw that adoption theology wasn’t right and worked to bring the Church into a greater understanding of what it means to seal families for eternity.(1:08:52) There were 3 types of plural marriages: time, time and eternity, and adoptive/dynastic/eternal only. Some examples of Joseph’s dynastic marriages include Elizabeth Rollins Lightner and ...

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0:00.0

Hey everybody, welcome to Talking Scripture, a podcast where we illustrate relevance and application of the scriptures in Come Follow Me.

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We also dive into the history and cultures of the text.

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Thanks for taking the time to share and subscribe to this podcast.

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For show notes, head over to our website, talking scripture.org.

0:23.3

Welcome to Talking Scripture. I'm Mike.

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And I'm Bryce.

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And today we're going to be in Section 129 through 132.

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And if you know anything about 132, you know it's heavy.

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And we will get into plural marriage.

0:35.1

But first, let's jump into 129, which is a key on how to recognize an angel is from heaven

0:41.6

or from the other place when he appears unto you.

0:45.0

The answer is you offer him your hand, and if he refuses to shake it, then you know it's

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a premortal spirit that can't shake your physical hand.

0:55.4

If he shakes it and you feel it, that's a resurrected being.

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And if he shakes it and you don't feel it, then you know it's the devil with a spirit

1:04.6

trying to grab your physical hand and not able to do so.

1:08.4

And I would just throw one more thing out there, and that would be

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an individual who is a just man made perfect. He or she could come and deliver the message,

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and they're not going to shake your hand, and they're not going to take it when you offer them

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your hand. So reading from the text of Section 129, verse 3, 6, and 7, we get the following.

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Secondly, the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory, skipping over to verse 6.

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If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect, he will come in his glory, for that is the

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