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Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast where we discuss cutting-edge science,

the wisdom of the ages, lessons from pop culture, and our own experiences about how to be happier.

This week we'll talk about how to escape from zombie mode, and we'll talk to writer and marketing

consultant Crystal Ellipson about an intriguing, know-yourself better exercise.

I'm Gretchen Ribbon, a writer whose study is happening as good habits in human nature.

I'm a New York City, and joining me today from LA is my sister Elizabeth Kraf, who will soon be

joining me here in New York City in real life. That's me Elizabeth Kraf, the TV writer and producer

living in LA, and yes, Gretchen, I cannot wait to settle into your guest room for a few days.

Yes, we are very, very excited to have you. Now before we get going, we want to remind everybody

about our book club book. Yay! It's Kate Bowler's new book, No Curse for Being Human.

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