Hey, everybody, welcome. And thank you for listening to this episode of Marist Therapy Radio. My name is Zach Brittle. I'm here with Laura Heck. Today we're here with Dr. Robert Glover, who wrote a book called No More Mr. Nice Guy. This book's been on my radar for a very long time. Laura also recently discovered it and tracked down an interview with Dr. Glover, which was really fascinating. He covers a variety of topics that are germane not only to men, but primarily.

You will hear him describe how important it is for men to feel connected, particularly to other men.

You might remember we did an interview with Larry Hagner a while back, who runs a thing called the Dad Edge Alliance.

There are a whole bunch of others like Men's Right of Passage or the Mankind Project. Dr. Glover has his own called Integration Nation. All of them are just helping guys stay connected, kind of avoid the sense of loneliness and isolation that sometimes creeps up for folks. So if that's you or if that's your partner, check it out. Check out what it might look like for you to get connected in some of these ways.

I hope you'll enjoy this interview. He's a sharp guy. He's got a lot of very cool ideas.

Mostly I just sit back and listen. Laura asked some really good questions. This is a very cool conversation. Stick around. I'm so excited. I am so excited that you said yes because I have been over here. I'm in Bend, Oregon,

and the background is that your book was handed to me by a colleague about maybe 10 years ago.

Would that even fit? When did the first edition of your book come out? It came out as an e-book right around turn of the century,

and first print edition came out March, February, March 2003. So yeah, yeah, that fits.

Yeah, that fits. So it's been around for a while, and he said this was so game-changing for me.

And I looked at the title and I thought, okay, this isn't applied to me.

So I didn't read it.

But eventually it came up.

I was running a book club for other clinicians.

And somebody else had suggested it.

And I was like, okay, there's got to be something to this.

So once I read it, it was such a game changer.

The way in which I looked at my male clients completely changed. And so I was really excited when you agreed to come on the

podcast because I have no idea what you're up to in the world right now. And, you know, if you're doing

interviews, if you're talking about the book, but I was just really excited because I just, I want to pick your brain. Right. 25 years later, I'm still talking about the book. It's still, it's interesting because it took us three years to get it published, and a lot of book editors said, Robert, we think it's a good book, but our marketing department says men won't

buy a self-help book. Now, that was kind of pre-Amazon, pre-kindle, pre-podcast for people

hear a book, go on Amazon, buy it, Amazon. And people who bought this book, bought this book. So men buy

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