I'm Marjorie Punit. I'm Elizabeth Reese. This is Best to the Nest, the podcast that's all about creating strong, comfortable, beautiful nest that prepare us to fly. Good morning, ladies. I liked that introduction. I liked the dramatic pauses in between the descriptions of what we would like our nest to be like. That was really nice, Marjorie. I think it was more of a brain fart, but whatever. Whatever. We'll go with it. We'll go with it

as an intentional little dramatic flare to the podcast today. Boy, am I looking forward to

today's conversation? We have a guest here today who we will introduce you to in a moment,

who is a longtime listener of Best to the Nest. We have read many of

her comments. We basically have like a side text message podcast conversation with her going

at all times. And we're going to talk about something that I don't think that we've ever

properly addressed on this podcast, Marjorie, because it hasn't necessarily

related to our personal experience. But I'm looking forward to this conversation. So we're talking

about our friend Molly and her forthcoming book called Mom Jeans, as in G-n-es and the idea of motherhood and mothering and what personally

led her to have a lot of fear about having children of her own because of her own experience

of being mothered or lack thereof and you, you know, I, I've talked about

this a couple of times that I have a wonderful mother. I am so grateful for that every single day.

And it was a very intentional shift from how my mother was mother. My mother was not mothered at all

the way that she mothered us and so being grateful for that

conscious shift and change um and from what I understand the history of how my grandmother was

mother right not great and so I am very well aware of of that change and the courage that it took to do that.

And I am eternally grateful for it. And that's what our next, that's what our guest is doing.

Yeah. I think it's been especially, you know, I got to spend the last 18 months of my mom's life with her.

And I had a, you know, I had a tricky journey with my mom.

She was a strong feminist, had four girls in five years, was Catholic, probably wouldn't

have had four, were it not for the Catholic stance on birth control until she just said, no, no, I'm going to use birth control.

And then I was the last one.

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