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Hey friends, my name's Olivia Perez and I'm an entrepreneur, journalist, and the host of the

friend of a friend podcast. Every Monday, I meet with some of today's youngest and brightest

entrepreneurs to make spaces to tell their stories and shine a light on who I believe to be the next

generation of luminaries. I'll interview up-and-comers and game changers from brand-builders,

personalities, activists, artists, and thought leaders from around the world.

Each episode lets you be a fly on the wall during one of the greatest pep talks.

Like a conversation between you and a friend or a friend of a friend. See you there.

Welcome everybody to that so retrograde. I'm your host today, Elizabeth Cot. Welcome to

retrograde land. So happy you could join us today. This is a fun convo. It's really

super-interested in it. In the name of growth and evolving, Steph and I decided that we wanted

to start doing individual episodes that were really devoted to our own interests and

fascinations. It's probably gotten glued into this over the years, but for me, if there's

like a bend diagram of interest and honestly personality, you'll have like on one end,

it's like Esther and Abraham Hicks, and then the other circle, you've got the bravo verse

and like Danny Pellegrino, and then you have like another circle that is all devoted to skin.

And that is because I've really had my own challenges with it. If you're, if you've listened

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