And so at the point that we actually settle into thinking,

I've got enough information now that I don't have to watch a video, read a book,

listen to a person, go to a class, that I have now climbed this mountain to the point where I can actually feel comfortable with myself for just a few moments and not judging whether I'm getting it wrong or right not judging whether I break through to

cosmic consciousness but just that I actually took the time or engaged myself because what is time anyway engage myself in this focus and it becomes

the gateway to eternity or what we might want to call immortality.

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Hello everybody welcome to Spirit Jim with Paul Chek and my guest Roger Janka today.

We're going to talk about the Immortals and the Dow.

And because these issues get into mind, spirit, and soul, and you're speaking

from a Taoist perspective, I thought you could start by sharing how you conceive of mind, spirit, and soul from the perspective

that we're going to share in today in your own language so that when people hear any of those

words they understand what exactly Roger speaking about instead of inserting

their own concept in there.

Yeah, good.

So I love that question and mind, it's fascinating.

So one of my favorite quotes ever and I can't remember where it comes from is basically the question

where in the world is the mind?

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