I think communities and live events are going to become more powerful because we're going to be starving for that human connection.

And I think the companies that can figure out both, right?

We're never going to be going back to the office.

At best, we're going to have hybrid workspaces.

But I think it's the CEOs and the leadership teams that find ways to connect as humans

and then find ways to connect via technology. They're the ones that are going to actually lead.

Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast, produced by the COO Alliance and brought to you by its founder,

Cameron Herald. In the Second in Command Podcast, we talked to top COOs who share the insights,

strategies and tactics that made them the chief behind

the chief.

And now here's your host, Cameron Herald. you're Hello everybody I am proud to welcome an old friend of mine Cameron Herald to this

episode of the gig experience Cameron has done a lot of amazing things including the founder of Back Pocket

C.O. founder of the CEO Alliance best-selling author speaker.

Cameron, do you want to give a little more background about what you've been up to lately?

And a world traveler, every time I see you, you're in a different continent.

Sure.

So yeah, you and I got to know each other through the entrepreneurs organization, which was really

the first

mastermind community that I ever really got involved in I've since been

involved in about eight different masterminds very at pretty deep levels like

four to five years plus in each of them but I got known for building a company called 1-800 got junk. I was their

chief operating officer, grew them from 14 employees to 3,100 employees in six years, but that

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