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Hire first for character and values and integrity. Everything else can be taught. We looked for people that we knew

we're going to become allies for each other and want to create the right environment for each other.

If there's even a bit of a flag during the interview process on that, those folks are out.

Do these people look like they're learners? Had they reached their ceiling or are they actually

still on an upward trajectory in their career

and in their skill set and what they're doing?

If we don't have great diversity in the teams

that are building the technology,

then they'll be biased in the technology that gets built.

Does this person speak English?

Because with her name, it sounds like there might be

an accent issue.

So like that in itself has been like...

It's so problematic.

Hey guys, welcome back. I talked to Shimonah Ameta, who is none other than the managing director of Amir for Shopify, which is an incredible job title. And we talk about her whole career, how she kind of worked her way up in corporate. She started in consumer goods, moved over to tech. I think we touched on quite a few very important points,

if I do say so myself. I personally learned a lot throughout the course of the podcast,

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