This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altiger Show on the Choose Yourself Network.

Today on the James Altiger Show.

I remember when I was in rehab, one of the first things one of the counselors said to me was,

Rich, are you a human being having a spiritual experience or are you a spiritual being having a human experience?

I was like, I don't fucking understand that question.

Can you repeat that?

I think about that almost every single day, but I do believe that we're all spiritual beings having a human experience.

There are lots of things going on around us that we can't understand and perhaps could never understand

because of the size of our brains not being large enough or whatever it is.

And trusting in that and kind of getting to this place of surrender versus self-will has been one of the most powerful and helpful tools that has guided my life.

Got Rich Roll on the podcast. Rich, how's it going?

Good man. So happy to be back with you.

Yeah, this is your, I think this is like your third or fourth time on, but it's been like a year and a half or two years.

It's been a while.

Yeah, it's been a long time.

And I kind of want to start from scratch a little bit for those who don't know you.

You're like, I always think of you as a mega athlete, which is basically how I describe anybody in sports who moves their body.

Right. But essentially, I'm going to describe your story in a nutshell and then we could dive in a little bit.

And then I just want to ask you about some other things, but you were a hardcore entertainment lawyer for many years.

Life was going badly. You were practically having a heart attack while walking up the staircase.

You switched your diet. We'll talk specifically how.

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