Welcome to the Vortex Nation podcast brought to you by lovers of hunting, shooting, public lands, the Second Amendment and Good Food. All right, what's up everybody, got a good one here for you.

We are sitting down with Wisconsin native outdoor columnist, former magazine

editor for several different publications, our very own, I say our very own because we're in Wisconsin

Pat Durkin so I like that I like that you're saying our very own now and you're from Washington.

Oh my gosh ha ha ha me. That we did. Start to feel like home, Jim. Starting to feel like home. Excellent. But yeah, so we just wrapped up a bit of a squirrel hunt this morning, of a squirrel jaunt pat rolled into town and we kind of had carved out a few hours to go

patrol some of the bluff country around here that's not too far from the office.

We're just talking about you know admitting when you don't know something I consider

myself far from a squirrel hunter. I thought I'll be honest when we kind of went into it this

morning I was I had expectations that it would be the well not that you can always

catch blue gills all the time either but it was it'd be kind of like the blue gills of hunting

We'd go traits around the woods a little bit. I mean not you know be quiet, but I thought there'd be a little more action

All I could think about was that Dove Hunt from like a year ago where it was like, oh dude, this

spot is a shoe and we're going to just be hammering doves.

Did not see one dove. Then actually, no, we did see one dove at the end and we had to climb up an entire quarry side for it.

Then I thought about a hog hunt I went on, or we went up in a helicopter and they were like for sure when you're in a

chopper you just slam shot one and then today Mark was really talking up this squirrel spot and we saw one but it looks so good. We came close.

Pat you're probably definitely more of a small game hunter than I am you know so I mean

let's historically yeah know, so I mean, let's...

It's historically, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, so I mean, like we're talking a little bit ago just kind of like growing up

and small game hunting and just how that was kind of how most people started hunting and kind of more common.

Definitely. Yeah, the, well the area we're hunting today for squirrels is really close to where I grew up deer hunting.

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