They're bad, they're boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around, but that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

Don't do bad.

You've got an absolute treat for you tonight.

It's not often we get someone talented on the podcast.

And it's even rare we get someone young on the podcast, but our next guest came to our

attention because he broke all the rules as a pacer, potentially the worst pacer on earth,

in that he went on, he turned around, flipped the bird to all of the runners and went on to win

the whole thing in

Olympic qualifying time which is quite just outrageous welcome on the podcast jake smith

hey hey i mean are you the worst pacer of all time?

I don't know about that.

I thought it was the best pacer because I helped get that way.

But I haven't heard that expression yet.

I'll have to write that down.

Well, I'd love to, because we could talk about the build-up to that. But I'd love to really get a sense from your perspective, like where your

career, you know, has been kind of the two, three years before this marathon and where it's going

and whether that has had this, you know, big twist on your expectations or on your pathways,

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