Welcome to Fat Mascara. I'm Jess. I'm Jen recording from my Southern satellite studio, which is in Florida.

So if I sound different and we have a little delay, that's why Eric and I came down to Florida to

visit some friends for a little sunshine and recovery from this horrible two months that we've had.

How you doing, Jess? I'm all right. I'm all right. I am live from Manhattan. It's kind of sunny here. It

feels like there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. I

don't know. How's it going? Are you feeling like like some sense of healing down there?

Yeah, it's, I mean, listen, vitamin D with sunscreen guys is really good and our close friends

were staying with them. And it's just been nice to just escape a little bit. Safely with masks on,

we traveled well. Don't worry, everybody. And they're very excited that I'm recording the

podcast from their home. So I promise that I would use them justice. We have a good episode for

you guys. Yeah, I know. I'm doing the beauty news. And then Jess will be talking about a fragrance

topic that we've actually been thinking about for quite some time. No? Yeah. This topic has been

something that's been rumbling, you know, in the industry. It is extremely topical right now,

though. So the topic is about the word oriental in the fragrance world as a fragrance category.

So we'll get into a little bit more obviously later in the show. But the word oriental is a

classification in the old factory sense. Like there are fragrance families, like, you know,

floral fragrances, gourmand fragrances, woody fragrances. And then Oriental has been a fragrance

category, not used by every fragrance brand or retailer, not by every fragrance expert.

But it is a commonly used term in the fragrance world if you're not familiar with it. But

there are a lot of folks in the fragrance world who think that it is absolutely time to retire

this word. And certainly it is very much in the news right now on social media and has been

for some time right now. So I talk to some people in the fragrance world and I cannot wait to tell

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